The development of Clean factory

I already talked a lot about Clean in my previous reviews of replica watches made by this factory, to know Clean factory better, please read this article.

Before the birth of Clean, the best Submariner replicas were made by Noob and AR, these two factories now have been closed. At that time, the Submariner made by Noob and AR has two big flaws, first, the tone of the bezel markers will fade, second, the green color is not correct. Someone who sold replica watches in the market saw a business opportunity that will earn a lot of money by making a better ceramic bezel for the Submariner. In 2019, he made one green ceramic bezel and sold it under name of “Clean”, immediately the green ceramic bezel became hot in the market, especially among the watch fans who did custom-made jobs, it is the first green ceramic bezel that has the closest green color to gen and has no-fade bezel markers. He earned some money by selling these bezels. At that time, Noob have been selling 4130 Daytona for some time, but their bezel on the Daytona is not very good, so a few months later, Clean made a ceramic bezel for the white Panda Daytona 116500LN. And at the same time, Clean published their first generation of Submariner and sold under name of “ZZF”. At that time, Clean could not compete with Noob and AR in the field of Submariner, later, Noob and AR also developed the ceramic bezel which they claimed won’t fade.

In the end of 2020, Clean announced the release of the GMT-Master replica watches with clone 3186 movement, but they did not sell them until the summer of 2021. In the whole year of 2019, it is the competition of Submariner between Noob, AR and ZZ, later, VS factory also published the Submariner with the latest Dandong 3135 movement, this movement is more stable and has fewer issues than the movement equipped in ZZF Submariner, even the Submariner from VS did not have the same good finish as the Sub from ZZF, especially on the hulk Submariner, the green color on the ceramic bezel is not as good as that on ZZF 116610LV, but with better movement and better quality control as well as higher reputation, VS still beat Clean and became the second big supplier of super clone Rolex Submariner, Noob occupied the biggest market share. Clean’s ZZF Submariner still not hot.

In the development process, Clean updated all their Submariner with the second generation of Shanghai 3135 movement, from that time, in the sales of Submariner, they decided not to use name “ZZF” any more, but use name “Clean” directly. The intense competition between Clean and VS started. During their competition, there was an interesting thing happend, VS found the factory that always supplied ceramic bezel for Clean. Later, VS developed Dandong 3235 movement and firstly equipped in the 42mm YachtMaster, and then equipped it in their 41mm new Submariner and Datejust. After seeing the fast development of VS, Clean took an action and developed a Shanghai 3235 movement, whose decoration is not as beautiful as Dandong 3235 movement of VS, the power reserve of Shanghai 3235 movement is about 45 hours, which is shorter than 72 hours on Dandong 3235 movement. At this time, Noob and AR could not follow the steps of VS and Clean, although they still have a large amount of customers.

In March or April of 2020, I can not remember exactly in which month, Noob and AR were forced to be closed because of the raid, and then VS was also closed. Now only Clean survived. Before this raid, Clean was absolutely not as famous as Noob, AR and VS, but the three actions Clean made next made them become the boss in the market. First, they accepted all orders of Dandong 4130 movement that were only supplied to Noob before, Clean started to sell the Daytona with Dandong 4130 movement in the end of 2021, their Daytona is much better than the one made by Noob before. Second, Clean decided to use the Dandong 3135 movement in their Submariner. From that time, Clean completely beat VS in 40mm Submariner. Third, about in 2022, Clean developed Dandong 3285 movement and continued to improve their GMT-Master replicas. Clean now is the boss in super clone Rolex, and VS can compete with Clean just because they still own the Dandong 3235 movement. Clean made a very quick success, besides the super quality, the luck also played an important role, I explained the “luck” factor in Clean’s development process in another post at https://www.susanreviews.com/2023/09/29/why-did-clean-factory-get-a-success-so-quickly/.

Which factory makes the best gold Daytona 116518 replica?

Gold Daytona Comparison BT vs Clean
BT Daytona Dial
Clean Daytona Dial

About the gold Daytona 116518, there are several factories that are making its super clone, they are Clean, BT, Gold, APS, QF, New Noob, among these factories, maybe you are more familiar with Clean and BT, which are more mentioned when people talking about super clone Daytona. Gold and APS also make good quality Daytona replicas with increased weight, but they are using Shanghai 4130 movement, which is not as good as the Dandong 4130 equipped in Daytona made by Clean and BT. About QF, I heard very little about this factory, and about New Noob, I have introduced it in one of my articles before. Currently I only suggest you buy Daytona from Clean and BT. Many Franken watches are also customized on basis of the Daytona from them.

The gold Daytona 116518 is a very popular replica, both Clean and BT are make this model and form a direct competition, which factory makes the best one? I though BT makes this watch better before, but after watching a lot of video reviews on this replica watch, I changed my mind, Clean version is better, please buy with Clean.

Look at the pictures in the beginning of this article, do you know which one is from Clean?

First, I want to say the replica made by both Clean and BT has flaws if you compare them with genuine watch. The case has color difference, genuine watch uses real 18K yellow gold, the replica only has a layer of gold plating on the case, the gold tone on the replica looks brighter and more yellowish. The weight difference also exists, the replica is about 35 grams lighter than the genuine watch. The dial printings on genuine watch are better, especially the red “DAYTONA”, which has a thicker font on the genuine watch. I have seen the movement comparison between them and genuine, the decoration on genuine Rolex 4130 movement is better, and genuine Rolex 4130 movement has one feature that could not be found on Dandong 4130.

BT makes 116518 earlier than Clean, now the latest version comes to V2, on the V1, the gold on the case and dial is too yellow, BT has made the changes on the V2 edition, now the gold tone is very close to that on Clean. However, the dial color is still a little yellow. The dial color on Clean is closer to genuine, I think this is the biggest difference between BT and Clean. Which one will you choose if I put them together. Many videos reviews said the one made by Clean is the ultimate version, so I also recommend Clean even it has a higher price.

Except the dial color, I can not find other differences, can you? Which one is Clean and which one is from BT? Please comment below and share your opinions about the two replicas.

Clean V3 Pepsi GMT-Master

It has been less than a month since the release of V2 edition of Pepsi GMT-Master, now Clean just published the V3 edition of this watch in last week. I took some pictures of the V3 and some comparison photos between V2 and V3. Clean facotory also raises the price on the latest V3 edition.

Here come the pictures of the V3, the replica watch looks very nice, Clean has made several improvements on this replica, the biggest change lies in the movement, which is from 3186 to Dandong 3285. Then the color of the ceramic bezel was improved twice in recent two months. Do you like the latest blue and red color on the V3? The red color looks slightly brighter than that on the V2. I did not see genuine watch and do not know which color is more correct. By the way, now Clean only offers the latest V3 edition for this Pepsi GMT-Master.

The pictures of the V3 Edition Pepsi.

Clean Replica Rolex GMT-Master II Pepsi Jubilee

The comparison photos between them, the left watch is V3 edition, the right one is V2 edition.

V2 vs V3 Pepsi

When I light the bezel with a laser pointer, the red on the V3 edition looks more transparent. In the following three pictures, the right one is V3.

In the video, the right one is V3.

New Datejust from Clean

Now in super clones field of Rolex, the two giants are Clean and VS, the watches coming from Clean almost cover each series of Rolex, while VS also makes replicas of a lot of Rolex watches, but not including the Daytona. I hope VS factory can make Daytona in 2024, because I want to see what improvements can still be made on the Daytona.

The absolute advantage of Clean is its Daytona, BT still can not compete with them. The absolute advantage of VS lies in its Dandong 3235 movement, this is the key factor why VS still can compete with Clean in the Rolex replica field. Because of the Dandong 3235, many people have a buying misunderstanding, which is the watch is the best as long as it uses a Dandong 3235 movement, the Datejust is an example, but Clean also makes super clones of Datejust, I think both have the same quality level. Now the only problem is that ordering a Datejust from both factories will take a long time. Clean and VS have published a lot Datejust replica watches, but both factories only keep several popular models in stock. The following pictures show some new Datejust watches that were just published by Clean, but if you want to order anyone of them, I am afraid you need to wait for several weeks.

These new models are in two tone style, there are yellow gold and rose gold, the bracelet also has Oyster and Jubilee options, among them, I like the two with mother-of-pearl diamond dial and the one with light pink dial. They are perfect new year gifts for women who love big watches.

There are indeed differences you can see on the Datejust watches between VS and Clean, but I can not tell you which factory is the best because I have not seen genuine watches. However, for a specific model like black, blue or silver one, perhaps one factory does better in some details than the other factory, you need to ask advice from your dealer, but VS Datejust has a longer power reserve, which is about 60 hours, while on Clean Datejust, the power reserve is only about 40 hours.

Clean New Datejust
Clean Datejust Pink
Clean Datejust MOP

Z Factory Replica Rolex Daytona 126500 with Shanghai 4130 Movement

Just several weeks ago, Z factory announced the release of the Daytona replica watches, are you familiar with them? The black one and white one, look like Daytona 116500, but the ones Z factory published this time are the replicas of the latest Daytona 126500 that were made by Rolex in 2023. The 126500 Daytona has some changes upon the previous 116500, but the replicas from Z factory are not good, I do not recommend.

Its quality is ok, but there are too many differences when you compare it with the genuine watch, and the differences are too obvious, I think it has a solid quality, 904L stainless steel, sapphire crystal and Shanghai 4130 movement, all these elements make it a high quality replica, but not a super clone in my opinion, no people will buy the 126500 from Z factory, especially at this moment when all people are seeking for perfection.

I just did some searches on the pictures of genuine Daytona 126500 and found the replica is greatly different from the genuine, first, its case shape is not correct on the replica, especially on the lugs, second, the most obvious flaw you can immediately noticed is its three subdials, which should be thinner and smaller, but Z factory uses the subdials that are in the same size as the 116500, that’s a big mistake, even the hour markers are thinner, but the subdial on the replica 126500 is a very obvious flaw. I do not think people will buy this watch.

Why did Z factory unveil this new Daytona 126500 so urgently? Because they want to make more money. We know Z factory makes some good quality replicas, such as IWC Portuguese, Audemars Piguet Royal Oak 15400 and 15500, Patek Philippe Nautilus and Aquanaut, etc., they make a lot of models, but today only several watches can earn money for Z factory, they are AP 15400, 15500 and Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711, while among these watches, Z factory is facing the direct competition from APS and 3K factory, so I think they earn much less money than before. So, Z factory need to open another project, actually they have such a plan several years ago, from the release of the replica Rolex Submariner, we can tell that Z factory wanted to enter into the Rolex field, then Z factory published the Daytona replicas, we can see they are very eager to make a success in Rolex field, but they failed. Nobody wants to buy Submariner and Daytona from Z factory in the past, and the latest 126500 replicas published by them this time are also bad clones.

Absolutely there will be super clones of 126500 Daytona in future, I think Clean or BT will release half a year later.

The pictures of the ZF 126500.

Replica Rolex Daytona 126500
Replica Rolex Daytona 126500 Panda
Replica Rolex Daytona 126500 White
ZF Replica Rolex Daytona 126500
Rolex Daytona 126500 Case
Rolex Daytona 126500 Crown
Rolex Daytona 126500 Case Back
Rolex Daytona 126500 Clasp

The pictures comparison between Clean Daytona 116500 and ZF Daytona 126500.

Clean Daytona 116500 vs ZF Daytona 126500

The New Trend – Replica Watches with Increased Weight

All news are about replica watches with increased weight in recent days, actually it is the hottest topic people have been talking about since the second half of this year. Nowadays, replica watches are made closer and closer to genuine watches, but people are still pursuing perfection, so some persons in the market will do custom-made jobs on these replica watches made by famous factories like Clean, ZF and VS, I think they are the first to use the case with increased weight on replica watches, and then the factories found this business opportunity and also participated in. The two factories that firstly make replica watches with increased weight are GM and GS, which published the Day-Date replicas with increased weight, in my memory, they were very popular once being published to our market.

Then another factory appeared, its name is TED, they make a YachtMaster 226659 replica with increased weight, it is said TED is a sub-branch of VS company, but I think it is just a small studio opened by somebody that has a good relationship with VS, so he can sell this watch in the name of VS.

Now the factories we discuss the most is Gold and APS, Gold factory makes replicas of Daytona and YachtMaster with increased weight, APS makes replicas of Daytona and Royal Oak 15400 with increased weight, Gold seems to be more popular. There are some rumors about Gold factory in our market, someone said that Gold is operated by Clean, most people said that Gold is a watch part factory that makes cases and has been in the market for years, I choose to believe the latter one. Now Gold factory only makes the Daytona and YachtMaster models with rubber band. Today, I choose the Daytona with gray dial and rubber band from Gold and APS to take some pictures and make a simple comparison between them.

Both Gold and APS use tungsten steel in the case, but not all pure tungsten steel, the case is made with tungsten steel alloy material, or it is too hard. The weight of the APS Daytona is 145.2 grams, while Gold is 142.9 grams, this Daytona from Clean is around 109 grams, so each Daytona from Gold and APS is more than 30 grams heavier than the Daytona from Clean or BT. However, there is still a weight difference because genuine watch is around 160 grams. Because of the added tungsten steel, the case of the Daytona from both factories may not be polished as well as the one of Clean Daytona, this is true, you can check the case back and the lugs, because tungsten steel is harder and is not easily polished as smooth as the stainless steel.

The biggest difference absolutely lies in the movement, Gold Factory uses a Dandong 4130 movement in this Daytona, while APS uses Shanghai 4130, I still prefer the Daytona with Dandong 4130 movement, because this movement has been tested to be very reliable for years, while Shanghai 4130 is still new to us, currently it is only installed by the Daytona replicas made by ZF and APS. Well, this may be the reason why this Gold Daytona is much more expensive than the APS Daytona.

The case shape and size on the two watches are very similar, I assume that they came from the same watch part factory. The gray dial is slightly different in color, I can not say which one is better, but both are not as good as the dial of Clean Daytona. On the clasp, the engravings on the APS Daytona is thicker and deeper, both Gold and APS use 904L stainless steel on the clasp. At last, please check the pictures of the Daytona from both, the one with a dog head icon is from Gold factory, the other with a green sticker is from APS factory.

The pictures of the Daytona from Gold Factory.

Gold Factory Rolex Grey Daytona Replica

The pictures of the Daytona from APS Factory.

APS Factory Replica Rolex Daytona Grey

Comparison pictures between them.

Gold VS APS

New Names in Our Market

Today, I want to show you some new names just appeared in our market, they are not new watches in this field, but some new factories names you may just heard of.

First, it is S+, this factory, maybe it is more suitable to call it somebody, just appeared in our market in the end of October, with the release of two Omega Seamaster replica watches, including the full black ceramic Seamaster I show below. As far as I know, S+ currently only makes two Seamaster models, why does it suddenly appear in the market? Because these two replicas of Seamaster made by VS factory have been out of stock for a long time, people who want good replicas, so they want to seize this chance, let’s see if they can succeed, How about this Seamster made by S+? Quality is ok, the movement decoration is nice, closer to genuine watch, but movement stability needs time to be tested. My advice is wait, do not push your trigger now.

S+ Factory Seamaster

Second, it is VVS. I knew this factory just several days ago because they released the full titanium replica of Seamaster 007 No Time To Die, then I made some searches online and found some replicas posted online are using the bezel or dial under VVS name, so I guess this is a factory that only made watch parts before, now they want to sell replica watches by themselves and just entered this field. How about the Seamaster 007 No Time To Die made by VVS? Its quality is ok, but I do not suggest you buy. We know the best replica of this watch was made by VS factory, and the latest version has come to V4, but the bracelet is still not titanium. VVS corrected it and uses titanium material on the case and bracelet, this is a big improvement, but its dial finish, case back engravings and movement are not as good as VS. I opened the case back, there are no decorations on the plate. The price of this replica from VVS is even sold at a higher price than VS. Not recommended.

Third, Gold Factory. Here we call it “狗厂” in China because there is a dog head icon on the strap. This is a new factory in our market. Perhaps you have seen the replica watches made by this factory on the internet, on your dealers’ wechat moment, they have posted pictures of the watches from Gold Factory. Currently Gold Factory only makes two types of Rolex replicas, Daytona and YachtMaster. What is the difference between their watches and the ones made by Clean and VS? The watches made by Gold Factory are much heavier, which have a closer weight to genuine watches, that’s the biggest difference. Look at the rose gold Daytona posted below, it has a weight of 145 grams, and the last picture shows you all Rolex watches Gold Factory is making. Why this Daytona is heavier than the same one made by Clean or BT? Because Gold Factory uses tungsten steel as case material. The movement is Dandong 4130.

Gold Factory Daytona
Gold Factory
Daytona Weight

Clean Pepsi GMT V2

Today, I will show you some pictures and a video about the latest V2 edition of the replica Rolex GMT-Master II Pepsi just published by Clean factory.

In the past, I always thought that Clean produces the best quality ceramic bezels used in replica Rolex watches including Submariner and GMT-Master II, actually I was wrong. We must admit that the green ceramic bezel used by Clean 116610LV is the best and has the most accurate color, but about GMT-Master II replicas, perhaps there are some other factories making better ceramic bezels than Clean. For example, my friend told me that the GMT-Master II Pepsi made by GS factory has a more accurate blue and red color. So, that also proves my opinion, which is no replica watch is perfect, if a factory focuses on the finish of specific parts and want them look closest to genuine, then some other parts may not be the best.

On the V2 edition of this Pepsi GMT with jubilee bracelet, the bezel was upgraded, we can see the last one picture and video, the left watch is V1, the right one is V2. We can see the bezel color changes under UV flashlight. I am not sure if this new bezel is made by Clean. The blue and red color on the V2 become dark, not that bright on the V1, a lot of people like the color change on the bezel, but some said it looks slightly purplish, they still prefer the color on the V1, what is your opinion?

The Pepsi GMT with Oyster bracelet now also upgraded to V2. The other GMT-Master II models from Clean do not have changes.

Clean Pepsi GMT

Top Ten Best-selling Replica Watches in 2023

It has been a long time for me not to write such type of articles, some readers asked me to send them the best sellers list before they make decision on which watch to buy, so sometimes I am wondering that this list may be helpful to them, but it only works in the field of super clones. Actually I have written several articles about the best-selling replica watches in past years, but things changed, some replica watches that were very popular before now are not sold very well, and some watch factories have been closed and do not exist, today, I will write a review about the top ten best sellers of replica watches in 2023, although 2023 is not over yet, the result won’t change.

1.VSF Submariner 126610LV

126610LV is the Submariner with 41mm case Rolex has published, it is known as Starbucks among our watch fans. The replica watch was made and released by VS factory in 2020, now it is still a best seller in our market, many people will buy a 41mm 126610LV when they are considering a green Submariner. The movement in the watch is a super clone 3235, which is known as Dandong 3235, people buy the 41mm Submariner from VS factory mainly because of this movement, which is very reliable and has a low repairing rate.

2.Clean Daytona 116500 V3

A big difference between Clean and VS is Clean will continuously improve their flagship model, while VS does not. For example, the Daytona 116500 should be the flagship model of Clean, it is the most profitable watch of Clean, it is also the Daytona 116500 makes Clean factory to be the boss in the field of super clone Rolex. Since the release of the Daytona 116500 by Clean, the watch has been improved three times, even BT factory made this watch next, I still think Clean makes the best one.

3.VSF YachtMaster 226659

Published by VS factory in 2020, immediately became one of the best sellers and almost beat all other YachtMaster watches, people will consider to buy this YachtMaster replica watch first when they need a YachtMaster. The YachtMaster 226659 has a 42mm case that is made with 316F stainless steel, not 904L stainless steel like being claimed by other dealers. The replica YachtMaster 226659 is equipped with a Dandong 3235 movement. Because the big hotness of the Dandong 3235 movement at that time, many customers wanted to buy this YachtMaster from VS, but this watch was often out of stock, so, somebody noticed this and assembled a team, then started to sell this replica YachtMaster watch, the team was called JVS.

4.Clean Daytona 116519

Like the other Daytonas made by Clean, this Daytona 116519 is also made with 904L stainless steel and uses the super clone 4130 movement, which is also known as Dandong 4130. This Daytona 116519 has a gray dial and is equipped with one pair of black rubber straps. Seeing from the sales record, a lot of people like this grey Daytona more than other models. By the way, for the length of the rubber band, Clean offers different length combinations for various wrist size.

5.Clean Datejust Wimbledon

Published by Clean factory in 2022, this Wimbledon Datejust has a ringing name. This is a Datejust with a new face, tired of seeing pure black, blue or silver dial colors, try this Wimbledon green Rome dial. For 41mm Datejust, perhaps some people will advise VS factory, but in my opinion, the sunburst finish on the dial of Datejust is better on Clean. Dandong 3235 movement from VS on the Datejust is not a big advantage, I prefer the one from Clean that has a better dial finish.

6.ZF AP Royal Oak 15400

Royal Oak 15400 should be my first suggestion if you want to buy a high quality replica Audemars Piguet watch. It is also first watch I recommend if you are looking for a full stainless steel watch with masculine and robust design. Both APS factory and Z factory make super clones of AP Royal Oak 15400, I still suggest you buy from ZF even APS has released the latest V4 edition, because my clients who bought ZF 15400 have not complained its finish and movement.

7.Clean GMT-Master II 126710

Known as Batgirl, this GMT-Master II has a very similar design to Batman, Batgirl GMT has a Jubilee bracelet, while Batman has a Oyster bracelet, both have a black and blue ceramic bezel. The GMT-Master II has become the second flagship model of Clean because of the Dandong 3285 movement. Currently the best Dandong 3285 movement is only used in the GMT-Master II production line of Clean factory. But ordering a GMT-Master II from Clean needs to wait for more than half one month, if you do not want to wait that long, C+ factory is also a good option.

8.Clean GMT-Master II 126710BLRO

Known as Pepsi GMT, this GMT-Master II has a jubilee bracelet and a blue/red ceramic bezel. The case is measured to be 40mm in diameter and 12.1mm in thickness. Together with the Batgirl and Sprite, three of them are the latest GMT-Master II replicas Clean has published in this year. Clean makes the best replica GMT-Master Rolex watch, this is the truth, many dealers will choose Clean’s product as a base watch if they want to make a franken.

9.3KF Nautilus 5711

About Nautilus 5711, it is also one of the best-selling replica watches, the blue one is the most popular model among all Nautilus 5711 replicas published by 3KF and PPF. 3K Factory installs a super clone PP 324 movement in the replica, its case thickness is also the one that is closest to genuine watch, which is less than 8.5mm. By the way, inside the Nautilus 5711 by 3KF, you will never hear a big noise caused by the auto rotor, it can be fixed easily.

10.GMF Day-Date

Definitely a big dark horse in this year, GS factory firstly released the 40mm Day-Date with improved weight, and then GM factory followed the step. I never thought that Day-Date will occupy a position in this list, but it is indeed being sold very well, a lot of people have shown their interest in the updated Day-Date replica watch. After being improved, the weight of the Day-Date replica Rolex watch from GS or GM is very close to that of genuine Rolex. It is ok to buy that Day-Date from GM or GS, both have the same quality.

On this top ten list, you will find most of these replica watches are from Rolex, I am not surprised because the best-selling replica watches are coming from two main factories VS and Clean, even APS and ZF wanted to enter the field of replica Rolex, but not succeeded.

New arrival Rolex

In future, fewer and fewer new models will be published in our market, nowadays, only several factories are still publishing new watches, they are Clean, VS, ZF and APS, but they also do not release new watches so often like before. Today, I want to introduce three new Rolex replica watches that were just published in our market, they are top quality super clones and absolutely worth buying.

Clean GMT-Master II Gold

Clean GMT-Master II Two Tone

First, two new GMT-Master II replica watches, one in two tone style, the other is full gold. Made by Clean factory. Both replica watches have a 40.2mm case diameter, case thickness is about 12.4mm. The weight of each watch is about 141 grams, I have measured it. These two GMT-Master II watches are also the new models from Rolex, we have waited for a long time before Clean makes the clones, now they finally come out. Both watches are equipped with Dandong 3285 movement, which is the best movement currently in all GMT-Master II replicas, Clean is very proud of this movement. But ordering a GMT-Master II replica watch from Clean needs to wait for a long time, about two weeks or even one month.

Before Clean, another factory has made these two watches, while I forget its name. EW factory also makes these two GMT-Master replicas and sells at cheap prices. But if you want to get the best ones, I recommend Clean. In our market, Clean and C+ make the highest quality GMT-Master replicas. Clean uses Dandong 3285 movement, while C+ uses Shanghai 3285 movement.

C+ Explorer Black

C+ Explorer White

Last two new models are black and white Rolex Explorer made by C+ factory. They have been released in our market for weeks, and like their GMT-Master II, the new Explorer II from C+ also uses Shanghai 3285 movement. I introduced Explorers II black and white watches before, they are made by GM and JVS, the version of GM Explorer II has come to V4, while I heard that JVS factory has been closed because of the raid, not sure if they will back to this business in future. If you want the black or white Explorer II, you can buy from GM or C+.