Last time, I introduced the Nautilus 5712 from WS Factory. Since WS entered the market, this model has become even more controversial, because none of the versions currently made by the different factories are perfect. Extra aftermarket parts are still needed if you want to upgrade the watch. For those who are really pursuing a high-quality 5712, buying the watch itself plus all the necessary modifications can become quite expensive.
This time, WS Factory has also released three Aquanaut models, available in green, blue, and rose-gold brown. The factory claims that their weights are the same as the genuine watches. I do not know the exact weights of the genuine versions, but all three WS models feel quite heavy, especially the blue and green ones, each weighing around 150 grams.
There are already several factories in the market producing weighted Aquanaut replicas, including DDF and APW, but neither of them makes versions as heavy as the WS models.
Unlike other factories that make weighted watches, WS uses a high-density precision tungsten material for this Aquanaut. According to the factory, its density is 16.8 g/cm³, the same as platinum, rather than the tungsten-copper alloy, tungsten steel, or steel-wrapped tungsten commonly used in the market.
WS also claims that this material will not oxidize or peel, and that it can be gold-plated. The material is extremely hard, which makes machining very difficult, so production capacity is relatively limited.
The movement inside is the latest 26-330 with hacking seconds feature.
Quite a few new models have been released recently, especially since the movement exclusivity agreements came to an end. As a result, many new factory names have started appearing in the market. However, most of these so-called new factories have not actually developed anything from scratch. Instead, they are simply improving models that were previously released by the major established factories.
A good example is the WS Factory Nautilus 5712 that I mentioned in my previous post. WS made some very impressive claims in its promotional materials, but the actual watch is not nearly as good as they advertised.
A friendly reminder: whenever a new factory name appears and claims to have made major improvements to a particular model, do not rush to buy it. In many cases, you may simply end up wasting your money.
AR Factory
Just heard that AR Factory, which is also known as ARF, just changed its name to “W”. All these factories producing replica Rolex watches are operating in a precarious situation, never knowing when they might be shut down.
Clone 330 Movement
Last time, I mentioned that BBF was preparing to release a hacking-seconds 330 movement for the Nautilus 5711. Now, this movement has finally been released and has first been installed in the two Nautilus models shown below.
Meanwhile, 3K Factory is also feeling the pressure. It has just announced that it will release its own hacking-seconds 330 movement, which will first be installed in the two Aquanaut models shown below.
Seamaster 600m
Two new Seamaster models from VS Factory, black and blue models available now. Before, a factory named VS+ also made these two models plus one orange model. The new Seamaster 600m from VS has a case that is measured to be 42mm in diameter and 13.8mm in thickness. The movement inside is a clone 8912, which is derived from the super clone 8900 movement from VS. At this point, even if VS releases new Panerai or Omega models, I do not expect too much from their attention to detail or overall finishing, because VS is now focusing almost all of its resources on Rolex.
About Patek 5712, it is one of the hottest watches in the market, several factories and custom-made studio are competing on this model, like PPF, OME(disappeared), GR and some private modification studio. For people who do not have high standards, PPF has updated this watch to V3, it is good enough. But for people who really care details, the one from PPF absolutely won’t fulfill their need. However, if you are considering modifications on a 5712, be aware that this area is very complicated and full of pitfalls. I would not recommend it for newcomers.
Just in last week, a new name appeared and announced that the 5712 they are making has several important upgrades. Having read their promotional content on this watch, I really expected it. But after seeing the actual watch, I must say this is also not the best.
First, let us see the quality of the 5712 from WS.
Does it uses a SW dial like they claimed? No. Although the dial is good and very close to SW dial, but the moon phase is totally different, look at the picture below, the left watch is WS 5712, the right watch is PPF 5712 with SW dial. The WS 5712’s moon phase background is too blue, and the star is bigger, that does not look good.
And the hands of the WS 5712 indeed have solid center hub, but its shape is not correct.
WS 5712 on the left, PPF 5712 on the right.
Are this watch’s eagle-beak-shaped lugs really as perfect as the factory claims? No. Look at the picture below, the left 5712 from WS Factory indeed has a better lug shape, but compare the CNC case, WS 5712’s lug is not perfect.
The CNC case has a very good lug shape.
The movement of WS.PPF movement engravings
Although PPF improved the 240 movement engravings before, but their movement engravings still look slightly thinner and shallower than that of the movement in WS 5712. But the movement engravings on both watches do not look as neat as that of the genuine.
At last, the case thickness of WS 5712 is about 8.6mm. It is a good watch, but not as good as they claim to be. I do not suggest you spend such a big money on this watch.
About OME, it has been a long time not to hear the news about this factory, last time, about several months ago, OME published a great replica Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712 and caught the attention of many watch fans, their Nautilus 5712 is indeed a very good replica, compared with the 5712 from PPF, OME version has better dial color, better moon phase, better hands and better movement engravings, they disappeared after selling this watch for a while, I do not know why they disappeared, now OME starts to accept orders and published the V2 edition of the Nautilus 5712.
For the V2, the change was made on the movement, please check the two places I mark in red, these are two differences between V1 and V2.
Golden tube around this ruby.
C-shaped opening in this place.
The movement plate has much deeper engravings than that of PPF 5712, and on this V2, the movement plate also looks brighter and cleaner.
However, now ordering a Nautilus 5712 from OME needs to wait for a bit longer than usual.
Next, let’s see the pictures of the Cubitus 5822P from OME.
This Cubitus 5822P is hot, many people already asked me if there is a super clone of it, before OME, P1 and PPF made this replica, PPF and OME use the same super clone 240 movement, but the movement from P1 is not close to the genuine movement, and their watch has a too high price. Like 5712, PPF also does not have a deep engraving on the movement plate, please check the picture below.
Look at this picture above, the movement plate has a very shallow engraving on PPF 5822.
Look at the movement on the 5822 from P1 Factory, the micro rotor’s position and balance wheel position are wrong.
Last time, I talked about the improvement which PPF made on the replica Nautilus Moon Phase 5712 in article https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/03/31/two-improvements-from-ppf/, that improvement is the engravings on the movement plate, which become deeper. Just yesterday, PPF announced another improvement on the dial color of the V3 5712, I got the watch yesterday night and took some pictures for you. The dial looks really better than before.
Before, many watch fans would like to get a Patek Philippe 5712 from PPF and then changed a SW dial on because SW dial has a more correct color, now it is not necessary to do this because the new dial from PPF has a correct color. Before this update, I made a comparison between PPF 5712 and the one with SW Dial in article https://www.susanreviews.com/2024/12/31/ppf-nautilus-moon-phase-5712/, we can clearly see the dial of the PPF 5712 looks slightly purplish, now you will not see this issue on the new dial from PPF. Look at the pictures below, actually the dial color looks more authentic than it on the pictures, you will be satisfied with the dial color after seeing the actual watch.
After the improvement, the dial color even looks better than that on SW dial, but is is absolutely much better than the dial color of OME 5712, on the 5712 from OME, the dial looks slightly gray.
About the finish on the edge of the hour markers, SW does a better polishing and the chamfering is more noticeable, which is closer to that of genuine. While PPF and OME have the same finish on the hour markers.
About the color on the hour markers and hands, SW dial is better, its color on the markers is the same as that on the hands. While on PPF, there is still slight color difference between the markers and hands.
My conclusion:
If you have enough budget, I still suggest you choose a PPF 5712 and then change with a SW Dial. SW Dial has a very good dial color and good finish on the hour markers.
The OME 5712 is also very cost-efficient because its case is made correct especially on the lugs.
OME, which just appeared in this industry, has forced PP Factory to make improvement on the movement of replica Nautilus 5712. Last time, PP Factory made deeper engravings on the 240 movement of replica 5712, I talked this in previous post at. OME only made the replica Patek Nautilus 5712, including the stainless steel model and golden model. I know you guys have seen a lot of reviews about OME 5712, some reviewers said OME makes the best replica 5712, which is much better than the one from PP Factory, here I took the golden 5712 from OME to make a simple comparison, please chck the pictures below.
On the first picture below, the left golden 5712 is from OME, the right stainless steel 5712 is from PPF but has been replaced with SW dial, hands and moon phase. Some reviewers said that OME uses the same SW watch parts, but I still found that SW dial, hands and moon phase on the right watch are better. However, we can see that OME uses a solid axis for the hands.
On the second and third pictures, it is the case comparison. The middle case is thinner on OME 5712, but the entire case on both watches has the same thickness. On the end of the lugs, its shape is finished so well on OME 5712, it looks much better than that on PPF 5712. If you want to replace the dial, hands and moon phase on PPF 5712, you need to pay a lot extra money, the total price will be more expensive than that of OME 5712.
Are there any other differences? Like movement? You can comment below.
At the beginning of this month, PPF announced that they will make some changes on two watches, one is Nautilus 5712, the other is Overseas 4500V, both are very popular models, especially the Nautilus 5712, which has been a best seller in recent years. Now, improvements on both watches are completed, in the following I will show you what improvements have been made on both.
First, the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712. Before this improvement, it is V3 edition, after that, it is still V3. On this watch, previously two improvements have been made, on V2, the power reserve becomes real. On V3, the clasp was changed. Now, PPF made another important improvement on the movement, whose golden engravings become deeper, please check the comparison pictures. I put two movements together to make a comparison, it is easy to tell. On the older version, the golden letterings seem to be printed, while on the newer version, they are engraved, there are obvious depth.
Second, the Vacheron Constantin Overseas 4500V. The improvement also made on the movement, its balance wheel is changed to the position of 7 o’clock, actually very close to position of 8 o’clock, you can see the pictures of V1 and V2 below. However, after the change on the movement, the case thickness increases from 11.2mm to 11.5mm. Besides, the date adjustment also changes, on previous V1, rotate the crown clockwise, the date will change. While on the V2 edition, you need to rotate the crown counterclockwise to adjust the date. Some people said the date font becomes thicker on V2, I did not notice the difference.
2024 is an important year both for our watch makers and watch fans, we welcomed a lot of new models that have been made with breakthrough watch-making technology. The absolute protagonists in last year are VS and APS, we do not deny that Clean still occupies the largest market share in Rolex field, but VS has already caught up, and APS indeed brought us many surprises. Hope they can release more super clones in future.
1.Clean Factory V3 GMT-Master II Pepsi
For this GMT-Master II Pepsi, it has been improved by Clean Factory for two times, now the latest version is V3. Upon V2, the biggest improvement lies in its ceramic bezel, it is said that the color has been corrected to look closest to that of genuine, while some persons still like the bezel color on V2, still a bit controversial, however, there are still a large amount of watch fans chose to buy this V3 from Clean. By the way, I also only recommend Clean if you want super clone Rolex GMT-Master.
2.VS Factory Daytona 126500
For the new 12xxxx series Daytona, VS Factory has the best movement, Clean has the most complete collection. Since the last upgrade VS has made on hands of 126500, the sales of their Daytona 126500 suddenly improved. This Daytona 126500 from VS is equipped with a super clone 4131 from Dandong, which is supposed to be better than the Shanghai version used by Clean.
3.Clean Factory Daytona 116518
With a yellow gold case, ceramic bezel and black rubber band, this Daytona is one of the best-selling Daytona replicas from Clean. For the sales of Daytona in the market, Clean still occupies the biggest market share, the competition between VS and Clean in this area is still fierce. Actually, every Daytona made by Clean can be put onto this top ten list, they are really perfect clones.
4.Day-Date Heavy Version
I put this watch here just because the heavy version of Day-Date Rolex is really popular, in the past year, many people were asking the weight of a Rolex they were going to buy. And today in Day-Date field, more and more people are participating in the production of heavy versions of Day-Date Rolex replicas, including GM, QF, K, CBD, THB, etc., customers are also more confused than before. Well, currently I recommend two watch makers, GM and THB. GM is the earliest factory that makes the heavy version, they have price advantage, THB has a high price, but they use super clone 3255, the finish is better.
5.PP Factory Nautilus 5712 V3
The 5712 made by PP or Z has been upgraded to V3, with super clone 240 movement and new clasp. We can see that Nautilus moon phase 5712 from PP is very popular in the market, many dealers provide extra service to upgrade its dial with SW Dial and Hands, just like they do on Nautilus 5711 from 3K.
6.VS Factory Grey Datejust with Jubilee Bracelet
You can buy this Datejust from VS or Clean, both versions are very good. I more recommend Clean version before, but modded watches are very hot today, more people buy this Datejust from VS Factory and then made some modifications, for example, replacing its bezel, dial and hands with the bezel, dial and hands from genuine, this is a great idea, and this won’t cost you too much. The super clone DD3235 movement allows watch fans to to this job.
7.APS Factory RM055
Richard Mille has been very hot in the past two years, APS Factory made big improvements on the RM replicas, especially on the model RM055. This RM055 soon became the best seller in Richard Mille field once being published by APS.
8.APS Factory AP 15407
More AP watches can be put in this position, such as 15400, 15500 and 15720 from APS, but people seemed to be paying more attention to the AP 15407 in past year, since that, APS made a big improvement on the balance wheel of this watch. Many watch fans are still not satisfied yet and seeking for trusted source that could add double working balance wheel, it can be done, but too expensive.
9.QF Daytona Le Mans
QF is the watch maker that produced this Daytona, they provide two versions, regular weight version and heavy weight version. I do not suggest you buy the heavy weight version, because they added extra links to increase the weight. By the way, Clean Factory will also publish the Le Mans Daytona soon.
10.3K Factory Nautilus 5711
This watch deserves a more forward position, it is a very popular watch in modded watch market, many people bought this watch from 3K, replacing its dial, hand and date wheel with SW Dial, Hand and Date Wheel, it seems like more and more people are accepting this modded watch now.
There are a lot of other watches that were also sold very well in the market, especially Rolex watches, there are too many, Submariner, Datejust, Daytona, they can even make a top 10 or top 20, every Rolex coming from VS and Clean should be a super clone, no doubt about this. Every one has their own top 10, I can not include every best seller in this list.
In recent years, one of the super clone watches that have been mostly improved in the market is Nautilus Moon Phase 5712, which is made by PPF, actually it is also ZF. I thought they were two different factories when there was a news saying that they cooperated and developed the V2 Edition of 5712 in last year, actually PPF and ZF are the same watch maker. This replica watch is also one of the best sellers in 2024, I think it is more popular than the replicas in other brand watches like Panerai.
For Nautilus 5712, I still remembered the first improvement was made on the movement, PPF developed this super clone 240 movement and achieved the real power reserve function. The second improvement is on the clasp, now this replica is fitted with the latest deployant clasp that is the same as that on genuine watch. However, when you are looking for this watch on the internet, besides the latest version from PPF, some dealers may provide you with other options for 5712. The first option is the one with SW dial and hands, but still using the 240 movement from PPF. You can buy this one, because after being replaced with SW dial and hands, the replica is closer to genuine. Check the pictures below, the left 5712 is using SW dial and hands, the right one is the original 5712 from PPF. We can clearly see the dial color difference, and after being replaced with the SW hands, the axis of the hands is solid.
Some dealers may provide you with another option, which not only change its dial and hands, but also replace its movement. The pictures below just showing the movement that could be used in the Nautilus 5712. It is a completely custom-made 240 movement from ACE. Well, I do not suggest you buy the 5712 with this movement, because it is not stable. This custom-made 240 has a free sprung balance wheel, not index regulated, although this feature makes the movement look closer to genuine 240 calibre, the movement accuracy can not be guaranteed. The custom-made 240 movement also has a much better decoration on the movement plate, you can see the engravings, whose thickness and color are very close to that of genuine, the micro auto rotor is 18K gold made, solid gold. However, this movement is too expensive, need thousands of US Dollars, and its stability is so unsure, so I do not recommend the 5712 with this movement.
Back to school season, still very hot in Guangzhou, have you ever prepared any gifts for your boys or girls in this special moment? A watch? Too expensive, even it is a replica watch, much more expensive than before. Those watch factories, always increase the prices again and again, even they improved the movements and watch materials greatly, but they also earned a bigger profit than past. The market is being dominated by several big factories in super clones field, new watch makers are impossible to engage in, but one big boss will appear again if there is a chance, just like the one Clean factory grabbed years ago.
The first watch is Patek Philippe 5712, it is not a new model, PPF made it several years ago, since the birth of this replica, PPF has improved it twice, the first time they made an improvement on this replica was on its movement, whose power reserve was modified to real, this is the second-time improvement, which was done on its clasp, now the V3 comes with a new clasp, and PPF charges extra money on this new clasp.
The second new model is a Jaeger LeCoultre watch with a tourbillon movement, the replica is made by APS factory, it uses a real Chinese tourbillon movement, it has a see-through crystal back, it is a good replica watch, but there are too much difference if you compare the movement between it with a genuine, the decoration on the movement plate, looks a little cheap. I do not recommend this tourbillon watch, the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin moon phase from APS is a more popular model, replicas with Chinese tourbillon movements are more loved on Richard Mille models.
The third new model is the rainbow Daytona from ZF, this is ridiculous, I thought ZF has quited the Daytona business since the announcement of the special prices on their Daytonas, almost no one has recognized the Daytona watches coming from ZF, I do not know why they still choose to produce. For this rainbow Daytona, I still do not suggest you buy from ZF, the New Noob factory has a better one with a better Dandong 4130 movement.
