OME, which just appeared in this industry, has forced PP Factory to make improvement on the movement of replica Nautilus 5712. Last time, PP Factory made deeper engravings on the 240 movement of replica 5712, I talked this in previous post at. OME only made the replica Patek Nautilus 5712, including the stainless steel model and golden model. I know you guys have seen a lot of reviews about OME 5712, some reviewers said OME makes the best replica 5712, which is much better than the one from PP Factory, here I took the golden 5712 from OME to make a simple comparison, please chck the pictures below.
On the first picture below, the left golden 5712 is from OME, the right stainless steel 5712 is from PPF but has been replaced with SW dial, hands and moon phase. Some reviewers said that OME uses the same SW watch parts, but I still found that SW dial, hands and moon phase on the right watch are better. However, we can see that OME uses a solid axis for the hands.
On the second and third pictures, it is the case comparison. The middle case is thinner on OME 5712, but the entire case on both watches has the same thickness. On the end of the lugs, its shape is finished so well on OME 5712, it looks much better than that on PPF 5712. If you want to replace the dial, hands and moon phase on PPF 5712, you need to pay a lot extra money, the total price will be more expensive than that of OME 5712.
Are there any other differences? Like movement? You can comment below.
It was about two weeks ago, the latest V4 edition of Seamaster 300m No Time to Die from VS Factory just came out, it is said this is the ultimate version of this replica watch, with the latest super clone 8806 movement just developed by VS. This Seamaster 007 No Time to Die is very popular, just like the Seamaster Spectre, in my memory, VS Factory just made improvements for three times on the replica, the replica watch firstly came out years ago is made of stainless steel, on V2 edition, VS Factory made the case with titanium, on V3 edition, VS updated the bracelet with titanium, and on this V4 edition, the movement is now changed to a super clone 8806. On some dealers webiste, they saying that this replica is V5 or V6, does VS really make improvement four or five times on the replica?
The V3 edition is out of stock. Now in the market, VS Factory has V2 and V4 in stock, V2 has a titanium case and a steel mesh bracelet, V4 is totally titanium made, its weight is about 96.9 grams, which is 4 grams lighter than that of genuine watch.
About the movement, it is indeed a super clone 8806 movement, not based on the Sea-gull 2824 and added with extra plates on top. However, this super clone 8806 movement is not exactly the same as the genuine Omega 8806. The balance wheel is slightly different. After removing the auto rotor and next plate, we can see the movement structure clearly, please check the last movement picture below, if you compare it with genuine Omega 8806, you will find the difference. But this super clone 8806 is already good enough. However, it is not like Dandong 3135 and Dandong 3235 as well as APS 3120 movement, whose components can be interchanged with genuine movements. This super clone 8806 has the same level as the 8500 and P.9000 movement from VS Factory.
Conclusion:
Fortunately this Seamaster No Time to Die has a solid case back, people are not able to notice the difference on the balance wheel. But it is exactly because of its solid case back, I think it is not necessary to spend more money to buy the V4 edition. For most watch fans, the V2 already has a very high quality, its stainless steel bracelet is better finished than the tianium bracelet on V4, besides, the movement in V2 is also very stable even it is modified on basis of a Sea-gull 2824, its stability has been tested for years.
There are a lot of new models having been published in our market in recent months, especially the new models from VS Factory that have caught the attention of most watch fans in this field, the Rolex Daytona weighted version from VS has greatly helped VS to challenge the position of Clean Factory in Rolex, and the V4 edition of Omega Seamaster No Time to Die with the latest super clone 8800 movement from VS will be available soon, I think it will be available in next week, this is a great news for Omega watch fans, because the replicas of Omega Seamaster Diver 300m finally can be equipped with a super clone 88xx series movement, and this will completely strengthen VS Factory’s dominant position in the market of super clone Omega Seamaster. Now, these super clones are more and more expensive, but what VS Factory has done makes me feel that higher prices are justifiable.
Last time, I introduced the V2 weighted edition of Rolex Daytona replicas from VS Factory, and my conclusion is they are worth purchasing, yes, I still stand by my opinion. There are a lot of factories are making replicas Rolex with heavy weight, like GM, QF, APS, THB, CBD, VVS, WK, etc., some of them use Tungsten-Copper alloy in case, which will cause a risk of case peel off, I heard some friends in this industry said that the case of the Rolex their customers ordered have peeled off. GM is the first factory to make the increased weight Day-Date Rolex in this industry, they used a heavy metal cover above the movement to increase the weight, people seldom complain that the case on GM Day-Date Rolex has the problem of peeling off, but the finish on GM Day-Date Rolex is not as good as other factories. About QF, they have Daytona with increased weight, they increased the length of the bracelet to gain weight, and price is very high, THB Day-Date also does the same to increase the weight. I think there is a cutthroat competition in these factories, too expensive for the DayDate Rolex from THB, which is even higher than the Daytona from Clean and VS, this is not acceptable.
The following pictures show you the comparison between a genuine Daytona and a replica one from VS, which one is real watch if you do not see the back pictures?
The case head of this gray Daytona from VS is about 96.2 grams. The case head of genuine watch is about 99.3 grams. Before, VS Factory claimed that the case head has the same weight as genuine, this is not true, genuine watch’s case is still 3 grams heavier, but this is ok for our watch fans, 3-gram weight is negligible.
The rubber band with clasp on the replicas from VS has a weight of 40.5 grams, while on genuine watch, the rubber band with clasp has a weight of about 64.2 grams. So, the weight difference between the replica and genuine lies in the clasp, there is a difference of 23.7 grams. The clasp can only be made with stainless steel on the replica, and VS factory does not add steel sheet inside the rubber.
Why didn’t VS Factory adopt a certain measure to add that 23.7-gram difference on the case to gain a full weight? Like putting a metal cover inside. If they were to do so, this will greatly affect the wearing comfort.
Besides the weight, there are other two difference, on the back of the lugs, the engravings look more clean and refined on genuine watch. The sunburst finish on the genuine dial also more obvious.
In the past five years, whether in material, finish or movement, the replica watch industry has made a big huge progress, do you agree?
Today, I will give a brief introduction of the movements used in the super clones. These movements were different from the ones used in the replicas made eight or ten years ago. Now, people are knowledgable in this field, they know every factory, their background and their famous watches models, they also know which movement is more trusted. The movements in the market are usually made by the movement factories in three places of China, which are Dandong, Shanghai and Hangzhou.
First, the movements from Dandong. Too many, there are 4130, 4131, 3235, etc. Many people know this movement factory because of the 4130 movement firstly used by Noob Factory. Now, the 4130 is being used by a lot of factories, including Clean, VS, BT, New Noob. Dandong 4131 is being used by VS and Clean. The Dandong 3235 is only used by VS Factory. Dandong 4130 is the most successful movement developed in replica watches industry, it is also the most stable chrono movement. It seems like every movement from Dandong is very stable, except the 925 and 938.
The best chrono movement in replicas – Dandong 4130
The two pictures below show the Dandong 3235 movement, also called VS 3235 or Custom VS 3235, it is only used by VS Factory, you can find this movement in their Datejust, 41mm Submariner, Oyster Perpetual, YachtMaster, Sea-Dweller. This is the best clone 3235 movement in the market, known for its high stability and long power reserve that is up to 72 hours.
Best clone 3235 movement- only used by VS
One movement from Dandong should be avoided, that is the 938, which is equipped by the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Q1372520. This replica is mainly made by two factories, AZ and ZF. Do not buy this watch, this movement will easily have issues during use. Almost every replica of this watch sold by the two factories will have movement issues.
938 movement, developed by APS, we should not buy the replica with this movement.
Another movement from Dandong is also not too stable, it is the 925, which is equipped by Jaeger LeCoultre moon phase. This replica is made by APS and ZF, a very popular watch, but its movement is even not as stable as Dandong 7750.
SL6000 movement from Dandong. Equipped in the replicas of IWC Portuguese 7 Days PR and Big Pilot, currently used by AZ and ZF. This movement is nice and has a power reserve of more than 50 hours. The Portuguese 7 Days Power Reserve from ZF is also the replica I highly recommend, very classic.
8500 and 8900 from VS Factory, also developed by Dandong. The replicas of Omega Seamaster 150m and Seamaster 600m from VS are using these two movements, which make VS Factory famous all over the world.
P.9000. Only used on Panerai by VS Factory. 8500 and P.9000 these two movements are the cornerstone of development of VS Factory.
Next, let’s talk about the movements from Shanghai. First, it is the SH3135. There are two generations, the first generation has been abandoned, now all watches are using the second generation of SH3135. This movement has the same high stability as that of Dandong 3135.
SH3235. Except VS, other factories are all using this movement, for example, Clean uses this movement in their Datejust, 41mm Submariner and Sea-Dweller. This movement’s stability is ok, but the power reserve is around 45 hours. If you want a Submariner from Clean Factory, I do not suggest you buy the 41mm model, the 40mm Submariner with Dandong 3135 movement is a better choice, it is more cost-efficient.
SH3235
Shanghai 7750. This is not a very good movement, but it is being widely used in the replica watches. In the past, Z Factory random used Shanghai 7750 and Dandong 7750 in their IWC Portuguese Chrono replica watches, people who got the watch with Shanghai 7750 was unlucky because this movement is not stable.
In the last, it will be a movement from Hangzhou. The movement is 72a0, which is being used in the Datejust and YachtMaster of EWE Factory. EWE modified its look to Rolex 3235. This movement is great, its power reserve is up to 60 hours. The Blancpain 50 fathoms from Z Factory also uses this Hangzhou movement.
At the beginning of this month, PPF announced that they will make some changes on two watches, one is Nautilus 5712, the other is Overseas 4500V, both are very popular models, especially the Nautilus 5712, which has been a best seller in recent years. Now, improvements on both watches are completed, in the following I will show you what improvements have been made on both.
First, the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712. Before this improvement, it is V3 edition, after that, it is still V3. On this watch, previously two improvements have been made, on V2, the power reserve becomes real. On V3, the clasp was changed. Now, PPF made another important improvement on the movement, whose golden engravings become deeper, please check the comparison pictures. I put two movements together to make a comparison, it is easy to tell. On the older version, the golden letterings seem to be printed, while on the newer version, they are engraved, there are obvious depth.
Second, the Vacheron Constantin Overseas 4500V. The improvement also made on the movement, its balance wheel is changed to the position of 7 o’clock, actually very close to position of 8 o’clock, you can see the pictures of V1 and V2 below. However, after the change on the movement, the case thickness increases from 11.2mm to 11.5mm. Besides, the date adjustment also changes, on previous V1, rotate the crown clockwise, the date will change. While on the V2 edition, you need to rotate the crown counterclockwise to adjust the date. Some people said the date font becomes thicker on V2, I did not notice the difference.
Last time, in my article “Is it the right time to buy the Le Mans Daytona 126529LN from Clean?”, I said this Clean Le Mans Daytona has a false 24-hour chronograph function, many watch fans said I was wrong, so yesterday night I got another Le Mans Daytona watch from Clean to make a test of its 24-hour chrono again, I pushed the chrono button and let it run for one hour, later, the small hand on the 9:00 subdial came exactly at 1:00, please check the following picture, it is right between 24 and the 2:00 black marker. This means Clean Le Mans Daytona indeed has a real 24-hour chrono. But I did not test for 24 hours.
However, why was the last test result different? The reason may be the movement in last watch is not the latest SH4132, which means very few pieces in last batch may have been mistakenly installed with the old version SH4132 movement. So, if you want to order this Daytona from Clean, before shipping, please ask your supplier to test the chrono to ensure it is a real 24-hour.
Just in last week, VS Factory announced that they will produce the heavy weight version of 12xxxx sereis Daytona, now these watches available with seven different models, five models with rubber band, two ice blue Daytona with stainless steel bracelet.
Are these heavy weight Daytona good? My answer is yes. It is not the first time for VS Factory to make the weighted Rolex, do you still remember the 42mm YachtMaster made by them? It is still one of the best-selling super clone Rolex watches, the latest version has come to V3, the weight of that YachtMaster is about 148 grams, which is very close to that of genuine. About the new heavy weight Daytona from VS Factory, please check the pictures I share below, the ones with rubber band, each has a weight of about 138 grams.
Every one who wants to buy the following Daytona may have one concern, will the case of the watch peel off? Will the electroplating layer of the case peel off? VS say no, and I trust them. I think there are a large amount of people who have bought the weighted YachtMaster 226659 from VS in past several years, VS also uses tungsten steel in the case of this watch, but does the case of this watch peel off? There are still no complaint about this on this YachtMaster, every watch fan seems to be very satisfied with the quality. So I trust that VS Factory also has done a good work on the newly released weighted Daytona.
Before VS, both QF and APS have made the weighted 12xxxx series Daytona, another factory named Gold also made the weighted Daytona before, but I do not know if Gold makes the new 12xxxx series Daytona. The version of QF has come to V10, APS Factory also continues to improve the quality, but both watch makers use Shanghai 4131 movement, this is not good, after all Clean has already decided to change to Dandong 4131 movement, which is more recognized. QF Daytona is about 155 grams, APS Daytona is about 151 grams, the inner material is tungsten steel and the outside is wrapped with stainless steel, if not processed well, the case will become darken as time goes by and some even peel off. The weight of the VS Daytona, you can see below, is about 138 grams, which is still about 20 grams lighter than that of genuine watch, but VS Factory claims that the case has the same weight as that of genuine, the only weight difference lies in the band and buckle. So, I offer you a solution, you can buy a Daytona from VS, and buy a genuine watch band with buckle to replace on, and finally you will get a perfect watch.
I do feel happy when seeing the new weighted Daytona coming out from VS, this is a great chance for them to win more market share in competing with Clean. The price they offered is also very reasonable, it is almost the same price as the Clean Daytona with regular weight, you know, the weight of Clean Daytona is about 108 grams.
I have an idea, why VS does not do real white gold or yellow gold wrapping on the case? That will make the case never peel off and won’t cost too much, if they do this, many watch fans would not mind to spend more to get such a super clone.
In the following, I post the pictures of each weighted Daytona of VS.
No. Do you think they have? Some of you may have searched on google and get some results with “clean” name on the website address, but none of these websites are opened by Clean. Clean Factory has been in this industry for a lot of years, they have a much bigger business than before and need to deal a lot of things each day with their distributors, so there is no need to open a website to earn that little money, by the way, opening a website online will also increase their risk, it is not worth. Some people said they have bought good quality replicas of Day-Date from Clean Factory, but as far as I know, Clean does not make Day-Date Rolex watches. I have checked that website, the Day-Date indeed has “Clean” sticker on the bracelet, but that’s a scammer, those people just wanted to use Clean reputation to earn money, they a lot of watches under the name of “Clean”. At the same time, you can also find a lot of websites of other factories, such as VS, Noob, ZF, they are all fakes.
Next, I will introduce two latest news in the market. First, BBR Factory is back. Just in last week, BBR announced that they will be closed forever, but they just back to the business again with another name BBS. Now you can buy their RM35-01 and Audemars Piguet Royal Oak tourbillon watches.
The second news is that VS is going to produce the heavy weight version of Daytona, please check their promotional copy.
No. We know Clean Factory just published this watch, from the announcement to availability, it lasts for several months, now it finally came out, and many watch fans think the best one is from Clean and they are going to purchase it. I do not think it is the right time. We should wait or you can still buy it from the Q Factory.
QF is the first factory to produce this Daytona, they have the stainless steel and yellow gold models, while Clean currently only makes the stainless steel one. And QF also offers two options in weight, regular and heavy. The heavy weight version is about 176 grams, I mentioned on my blog before, QF added extra links on the bracelet to gain weight. It is not worth to spend much more money on the heavy weight version. After being twice upgraded, the SH4132 movement in QF Le Man Daytona can track 24-hour chrono on the sundial at 9 o’clock.
For this Daytona, it is the first new model from Clean after our holiday, when promoting this watch, Clean saying it is also 24-hour chronograph at 9:00, I have made a test to see if it is real 24h, pushed the chrono button at 2:00 and let it run, one extact hour later I found the small hand has come to the first black marker on the 9:00 subdial, which means it is not real 24-hour chrono.
The weight of the Clean Daytona 126529LN is about 137 grams. Clean does not offer gain weight version. Looking at those pictures below, the black dial seems to have no sunburst finish, on QF 126529LN, there is slight sunburst treatment.
There are two rumors about this Daytona in the market, one is QF uses 18K white gold plating on the case, that’s not true, the case is still 904L stainless steel made. The other is this Daytona uses DD4132, no, actually it is SH4132, both QF and Clean use SH4132.
My conclusion:
If you really like this Daytona and want to buy a super clone, I suggest you buy the regular weight version made by QF. Currently Clean is not a better choice, perhaps they will improve next.
First, it is the 24H Le Mans Daytona, made by Clean Factory, actually Clean already announced their plan to make this watch before our new year holiday, now it finally came out. They said the watch has better sunburst finish than the one on Q Factory, well, really necessary to compare them side by side some day, the latest version from QF is V8 and Clean does not have the heavy weight version. On the Clean Le Mans Daytona, the subdial at 9 o’clock is 24-hour chronograph counter like genuine watch, the movement inside is a super clone 4132.
The second new model is Panerai 1518 from VS Factory.
