OR Factory Seamaster

Do you still remember OR? This factory has been closed for years, now they just announced that they have been back to the business. What products they made before? Do you still remember? I think some of you guys still remember their Seamaster, yes, they competed with VS factory in Omega Seamaster before, but their Omega Seamaster did not gain much recognition at that time, on the other hand, their Breitling and Jager LeCoultre Moon Phase were successful, but sold under the name “GF”, GF and OR refer to the same factory. Now this factory has been back, you can buy their Breitling, Seamaster and Jaeger LeCoultre Moon Phase. The most famous watches from OR(GF) in the past are the two below.

Breitling BlackBird
Jaeger LeCoultre Moon Phase

Several days ago, OR Factory published the following Seamaster 300m replica Omega watch, with a newly developed movement. Actually at the same time, VS also published this Omega Seamaster watch, I have seen a lot of reviews online about this watch, many reviewers said the one from OR is better than the one made by VS, I share the pictures of the OR Factory Seamaster first, and then make a simple comparison between them.

The pictures of the OR Factory Seamaster

ORF Omega Seamaster Orange
Replica Omega Seamaster 300m Orange
Omega Seamaster Orange Crystal
Omega Seamaster Orange Dial
ORF 8806 Movement
Fish Scale Decoration

The movement clone 8806 developed by SH has beautiful fish scale pattern polishing on the base plate, there is also engraving of Omega logo.

The orange rubber band comes with a clasp that is the same as the genuine, this watch from VS has a pin buckle.

Omega Engraving on the Buckle
Omega Seamaster Deployant Clasp

The pictures comparison on this Seamaster between VS and OR

Seamaster VS vs OR

The left watch with “A” sticker on the crystal is made by VS. The right watch is from OR Factory. The watch from OR has a sapphire crystal with a blue anti-reflective coating effect.

The crystal on OR Seamaster stands a bit higher.

Omega Logo Comparison

The Omega logo on the clasp, I found the logo on OR Seamaster looks better.

8806 Movement Comparison
Original Omega 8806 Movement
Original Omega 8806

The movement comparison. The left one is from VS made by DD, the right one is from OR made by SH, the bottom one is an original Omega 8806 calibre. The red color of the “OMEGA MASTER CO-AXIAL 8806” is different, on VS 8806 movement, the red color is brighter, while on OR 8806, the red engravings on the auto rotor look thinner, but its color is closer.

Conclusion

This Seamaster from both VS and OR is good. In some details, OR Factory does better. The clone 8806 movement in both watches has a high stability.

PPF VC 4200H 222

I introduced the golden Vacheron Constantin Historiques 222 in last year and it caught a lot of attention, please check that review at https://www.susanreviews.com/2024/02/02/v9-factory-replica-vacheron-constantin-historiques-222-yellow-gold-watch/, many readers commented on that article and said they want to buy one. It is a good replica watch and a lot of people show a great interest on the watch, but not too many people are willing to pay too much on this watch. In the past, two or three factories are making this replica watch, they are selling the watch at a high price, but the flaws on the watch are also obvious, the replica VC 222 made by them are much better than the AAA replica, but can not be called super clone. I think this is the reason why they do not buy the watch, they are too obsessed with super clone watches, they insist on buying nothing but super clones. Today, I will introduce a blue Vacheron Constantin Historiques 222 replica watch made by another factory, which is PPF, also called ZF, the watch has a blue dial. PPF made a lot of good quality replicas watches, the most famous are the Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 and 5712. About this new VC 222 from them, it is also not a super clone, but very close to, it is much better than the VC 222 made by other factories.

Why does PPF make the VC 222? Because they see a great profit the other factories are making on this replica watch, they are envious of them. With a high reputation accumulated in this industry, many customers will turn to buy this watch from PPF, and PPF is selling a much higher price than the other factories including MX and V9.

Please check the overall pictures and video of the watch first.

PPF VC 222
PPF VC Historiques
PPF VC 222 Blue
PPF VC 222 Case
PPF VC 222 Crown
PPF VC 222 Movement
PPF VC 222 Bracelet

The case thickness is up to 8.5mm, which is slightly thicker than that of the genuine. The case diameter is 37mm, suitable for people with thin wrist, but the height from lug to lug keeps the watch from looking that small on your wrist.

The crown is not screwed down, this is correct, genuine watch’s crown is also not screwed down.

Malte Logo

Compared with the VC 222 made by other factories, on the dial, PPF has Malte logo and solid center pinion that are closer to that of the genuine watch.

Date Window on PPF 222
Date Font 7

The date window is perfectly finished. The silver frame with round polished four corners that do not look sharp. The black oily printed date font has correct shape and is slightly raised.

A matte dial in blue, but the matte texture on the dial of the genuine watch is more obvious. There is a flaw on the dial, which is the color of the luminous material on hour markers, it looks slightly pink, which is different from that of the genuine.

The notches on the bezel are very close to that of the genuine, the bezel has very good finish.

PPF VC 222 Case Corner

On the corner of the case, the polishing is well finished, just like that on the genuine watch.

Advantages of the replica watch:

1.The Malte logo on the dial, case and crown is in correct shape, look very close to that of the genuine.

2.Case has perfect brushing finish, very good polishing on the edge and corner. Case is not too thick.

3.The bracelet has perfect brushing finish and enough flexibility to provide a comfortable fit on the wrist.

Shortcomings:

1.The color of the lume material is different.

2.The replica watch is equipped with a Miyota 9015 automatic movement. PPF added extra plate and made similar decoration. See through the crystal back, the gears on the movement do not work. The auto rotor is a little bit noisy. By the way, the stability of the movement is not a problem.

OME 5712 V2 and 5822P

About OME, it has been a long time not to hear the news about this factory, last time, about several months ago, OME published a great replica Patek Philippe Nautilus 5712 and caught the attention of many watch fans, their Nautilus 5712 is indeed a very good replica, compared with the 5712 from PPF, OME version has better dial color, better moon phase, better hands and better movement engravings, they disappeared after selling this watch for a while, I do not know why they disappeared, now OME starts to accept orders and published the V2 edition of the Nautilus 5712.

For the V2, the change was made on the movement, please check the two places I mark in red, these are two differences between V1 and V2.

Golden Tube

Golden tube around this ruby.

C-shaped opening in this place.

The movement plate has much deeper engravings than that of PPF 5712, and on this V2, the movement plate also looks brighter and cleaner.

However, now ordering a Nautilus 5712 from OME needs to wait for a bit longer than usual.

Next, let’s see the pictures of the Cubitus 5822P from OME.

Replica Patek Philippe Cubitus 5822P
Replica Patek Philippe 5822P
Replica Patek 5822P Blue
Patek 5822P Case
Patek 5822P Crown
Patek 5822P Movement
Patek 5822P Blue Band
Patek 5822P Buckle

This Cubitus 5822P is hot, many people already asked me if there is a super clone of it, before OME, P1 and PPF made this replica, PPF and OME use the same super clone 240 movement, but the movement from P1 is not close to the genuine movement, and their watch has a too high price. Like 5712, PPF also does not have a deep engraving on the movement plate, please check the picture below.

Movement from PPF

Look at this picture above, the movement plate has a very shallow engraving on PPF 5822.

P1 5822

Look at the movement on the 5822 from P1 Factory, the micro rotor’s position and balance wheel position are wrong.

New Omega Seamaster

The Panerai watches from VS Factory are now on sale, many models from them have special prices. It is not hard to imagine, because VS Factory is now focusing its main efforts on Rolex, and wants to clear inventory for some less popular Panerai models as soon as possible. This is a good news for Panerai fans who want high quality replicas, as you know, in the market, only VS Factory makes super clone Panerai. By the way, the Rolex from VS Factory currently is very hot, especially the Rolex Datejust and GMT-Master, often in out-of-stock status.

Today, I want to share the pictures of a new Omega Seamaster watch from VS Factory, they published it in last week, now the watch is available. Unlike the Seamaster No Time to Die, this Seamaster watch is made with stainless steel in case and mesh bracelet.

Omega Seamaster Watches Replicas

The left one is the new arrival watch, the right one is the V4 Seamaster No Time to Die, both from VS Factory. The left watch is made with stainless steel, the right watch is fully made with Titanium. Clearly the left stainless steel watch looks much brighter. Which one do you like more?

New Watch Weight

The new Seamaster watch has a weight of 151.6 grams.

No Time to Die Weight

The V4 Seamaster No Time to Die has a weight of 98 grams.

Omega Seamaster Dial

The black dial is sanded finish.

Omega 8806 Clone

The latest super clone 8806 movement from VS.

Dial Details

The dial printings use letterpress, the font is slightly raised.

Clasp
Clasp Locking
Two Watches of Omega

BBF 5711

BBF has published the replica of Patek Philippe Nautilus 5711 for some time, I introduced their replica Nautilus 5711 before, they got the super clone 324 movement and made some improvements, for example, the dial color is closer to that of the genuine, the engravings on the movement plates are deeper. 3K Factory has not yet taken any action regarding these, this factory has been remarkably low-key in recent years, after all they have earned a lot because having kept the exclusive usage of 324 movement for many years. Just days ago, BBF made another improvement on the dial, I made a comparison between the old version and the new version, please check the pictures below.

BBF 5711 Picture Comparison

The left one is the old version BBF published before, the right one is the new version BBF published days ago. The difference only lies in the dial. Please look at the letterings “PATEK PHILIPPE” and “GENEVE”. On the old version, the “PATEK PHILIPPE” and “GENEVE” are placed on two separate grids, while on the new version, the logo is trapezoidal, the two characters are centered in the groove between the grids. The pictures say everything. The font also looks slightly bigger.

The second difference is the grids, which become slight narrower on the new version. Please check the date window. On the old version, the bottom edge of the grid is parallel to the bottom edge of the date window.

On the new version, the bottom edge of the date window extends slightly beyond the bottom edge of the grid.

New Version Date Window

These differences are not flaws, actually genuine watches also have had these differences on different versions.

This Nautilus 5711 is a very hot replica watch, many customers bought it from 3K before and made some modifications by replacing its dial and date wheel, now I think the one made by BBF is very good enough, but the case still has one place that can be improved. The “eagle’s beak” feature at the end of the lugs is not pronounced. Many people care about this feature, before OME factory made this part very well, but they disappeared, it is said that they could not get the movement and produce this watch. Too bad. I made a comparison on the 5711 between OME and PPF, please check at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/04/28/nautilus-5712-ome-vs-ppf/, you can better see the lugs’ difference here.

BBF 5711 Lugs
The lugs on the BBF 5711

There are two approaches to deal with this defect on the case of the BBF, first, some watch masters in the market can polish this place very well, they do not charge too much. Second, you can pay extra to buy a CNC case and replace, but this case is very expensive.

Datejust

A Rolex Datejust is a must-have watch, its design is simple, yet timeless, to attend a formal occasion, a Rolex Datejust is necessary to make you look more mature and refined. In replica watch industry, you are looking for the best replica Rolex, I also highly recommend a Datejust, I thought Submariner is the best replica, but now I think it should be Datejust, it does not have the same hard-to-copy bezel as the Submariner, which is a common issue for the replicas. On a Datejust, especially the one made by VS Factory, every detail has become perfect from outside to inside movement. Now, for the people who are finding 41mm Datejust, I must say VS Factory makes the best ones.

The appearance of Clean Plus has convinced many that Clean has returned, actually they are only using some parts that were used on Clean watches before, not all of them, and they have not tracked down all the suppliers that produced watch components for Clean in the past, but Clean Plus is quietly making improvements on their models, for example, the end links of the bracelet is now more solidly attached to the case, not that flexible on the first batch of Datejust they released. I think Clean Plus watches are also very good, this factory will be a strong competitor to VS in future.

Currently one of the hottest replica watches is the V2 Datejust from VS, now with the new-arrival Datejust with grey Diamond dial, they have seven models, please check the following pictures.

VS Datejust V2 Green
VS Datejust V2 Green Rome
VS Datejust V2 Gray
VS Datejust V2 Gray Diamonds
VS Datejust V2 Blue
VS Datejust V2 Blue Rome
VS Datejust V2 Black

I introduced the V2 Datejust from VS Factory before, please check my post at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/08/18/vs-factory-datejust-v2/. There are two important differences between V1 and V2, which lie in the weight and bezel finish. For the new gray Datejust with diamond markers, VS Factory claims that they use moissanite on the hour markers, the moissanites are visually very similar to real diamonds. The weight of this diamond Datejust is 134 grams, Clean Plus also has this Datejust, whose weight if 129 grams.

Diamond Datejust VS vs Clean Plus
The date font is thicker on the Datejust from Clean Plus.
Clean Plus Clasp

The clasp engraving on Clean Plus, it is “ORV”, the same as that on VS. But the engraving is too shallow.

VS Clasp

On VS Clasp, the engraving is thicker and deeper. The clasp engraving is also an important part to identify if the Datejust is made by VS, please check my article to know more, https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/10/20/how-to-know-if-your-datejust-is-from-vs-factory/.

The pictures of the gray Datejust with diamond markers.

VS V2 Gray Datejust Diamond Markers

Tudor Black Bay Flamingo Blue M+F vs Genuine

A lot of you guys may have been familiar with M+, this factory has brought us many good quality replica watches, especially in Bell Ross, IWC Mark series and Tudor. The Tudor Black Bay Chrono watches are in hot discussion in these days, some readers here asked me about their replicas in last year, now in our market, there are good replicas of these Tudor watches. As far as I know, BLS is the first factory to make the replicas of these Tudor watches, then TW, but the best ones are made by ZF and M+F. In August, I made a brief comparison on the Tudor M79360N between ZF and M+F, please check at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/08/11/tudor-black-bay-chrono-mf-vs-zf/. Today, I will do a simple comparison on the Tudor Black Bay with Flamingo Blue dial between M+F version and the genuine watch.

Before that, I would like to notify you that M+F has all the following five models in stock, they are all great.

Replica Tudor Black Bay Chrono Watches
M+F vs Genuine Dial Color
M+F vs Genuine

The left is a replica watch from M+, the right is a genuine watch. We can see the replica has a very good dial color. There is almost no color difference.

The middle is the genuine watch, on its right, it is the watch from ZF. We can see the color difference on the dial of ZF.

Gen vs ZF

Please take a closer look, the color difference on the dial between the gen and ZF is more obvious.

Every date number is exactly in the middle of the window on M+F Tudor, just like the one on the genuine watch.

The crystal height on the genuine is a little higher, but not too much.

Bezel Fonts

The bezel fonts on M+F Tudor on the left look very close to that of the genuine on the right.

UNITS PER HOUR

In this picture above, the right watch is from ZF. Its bezel is more smooth, it is different, and its bezel fonts are a bit stretched.

Now, let’s see the last important thing. It is the clasp. On M+F Tudor, when the deployant clasp is engaged, the primary lock cannot be released without first opening the safety catch, genuine watch is also the same. But on ZF Tudor, if you depress the clasp with your finger, the entire clasp will pop open, this is not secure.

M+F Clasp Locking

Conclusion

M+F makes every Tudor Black Bay Chrono replica watch with very good dial color, good date fonts, good bezel fonts and good clasp.

How to know if your Datejust is from VS Factory?

Currently there are two big things in the market, first, it is about the Clean Plus factory. Second, it is about VS factory, which is their Rolex watches are too hot, often out of stock, people who are going to order their Rolex especially Datejust usually need to wait. After the closure of Clean, VS published V2 Datejust 2, which helped them dominate this market immediately, for people who want the best Datejust 2, I also recommend VS.

Before the closure of Clean, I said this factory has started to use the DD3235 movement in their Datejust, it is a new DD3235 that has 27 bearing balls, now VS also uses this new DD3235 movement in their Datejust 2, many dealers saying the new DD3235 is much better than the old version when they promoting VS watches, so this brings a problem, which is a lot of customers then insist on buying the watch with that new movement, however, VS factory hasn’t actually used this new movement in every watch, both the old and new movement are randomly used, and both movements have the same quality in my opinion.

The VS Datejust is so hot, some dealers deceive customers by selling them other factories Datejust as VS Factory models, to avoid being scammed, today I will show you a feature of the clasp on VS Datejust to help tell if the watch is from VS.

Please use a magnifier to observe the letter “A” on the engravings of the clasp.

Letter E

On VS Datejust, the letter “A” in word “GENEVA” and “MADE” has a flat top. The letter “E” in “MADE”, its middle bar is slightly shorter than the top and bottom ones.

Pointed A

On the clasp of the Datejust from other factory, the engravings look somewhat shallow, and the letter “A” has a more pointed top.

Rolex SA
This is the engraving of “ROLEXS.A.” on VS Datejust.

Datejust Clean Plus vs Clean

A new factory named Clean Plus just appeared in the market, we talked about it before, some people say it is Clean and they are back to the business, some people say it is not the original Clean Factory, so the hottest thing we are discussing about is whether the new Clean Plus is still the same previous Clean Factory. Now Clean Plus has released Datejust, YachtMaster and Daytona, I think they will publish more watches next.

Clean Factory has been closed for a while, people are still looking for Clean watches, I do hope Clean Plus can make the same quality watches as Clean, or even better quality. But after checking the Datejust from Clean Plus, I found their quality is still not the same as that of Clean.

There are two Datejust watches above, the left one is from Clean Plus, the right one is from Clean.

Datejust Crystal Clean Plus vs Clean

First, check the crystal, it is lower on Clean Plus, while on the right Clean Datejust, the crystal stands a little higher.

Date Clean Plus vs Clean

Second, the date wheel is different. Check the date font on the left Datejust from Clean Plus, it is a little thicker.

Buckle Clean Plus vs Clean

Third, the Rolex Crown logo on the buckle is different, I like the one on the right watch from Clean.

Clasp Clean plus vs clean

Fourth, the clasp engraving is different. On the top, it is the clasp on Clean. The engraving is bigger and deeper. On the bottom clasp, the letter ‘O’ is more like a digit 0.

Clean Plus 3235

Clean Plus uses DD3235 movement, this is good, as far as I know, they also use DD3235 in the Titanium YachtMaster and DD4131 in Daytona.

Conclusion

Clean Plus is not the original Clean Factory. Take the Datejust as an example, some watch parts like date wheel and bracelet on Clean Plus are different from that of Clean. Currently the best option for Datejust is still VS V2.

Holiday News

It is our National Day holiday, which will end on October 8th, but the factories will accept orders after today. In these days, one thing mostly discussed in the watch market is that Clean Factory has been back to the business, they changed a new name, which is Clean Plus, did you buy from them? I heard that this is not the same factory as before, at least the watch assemblers are not the same ones that served in Clean before, so the quality may not be the same. In recent days, many new models appeared in the market, most of them are from APS, including the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin, which is a new model from JLC, AZ Facyory made the old model before, now APS published the replica, which is equipped with the same super clone 938, the watch looks great, the case thickness is close to that of genuine, the functions on the replica also work, but I do not suggest you buy it, because the movement stability is not improved, it is the only replica watch with super clone movement which I do not recommend, when I introduced the story of APS Factory, I mentioned this movement, it has a high repairing rate.

APS Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin

This watch look really nice, it is said that the 938 movement in genuine watch is also not very stable, is that correct? Is there anyone here that has bought the genuine watch?

Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Replica Watch

The left stainless steel watch looks classic, but I like the rose gold one more on the right.

Replica Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Stainless Steel
Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Power Reserve

In original position, you can rotate the crown to wind the watch, I just did this, I winded, please notice the small hand on the power reserve indicator at 10:00, it moves from 1/4 to 1/2. No need to fully wind the watch because when you wear the watch on your hand, the auto rotor will move to gain energy.

JLC Date Regulator
Date Adjustment

At 2:00 on the case, there is a button for you to push with a tool to adjust the date, which is displayed on the round small dial at 2 o’clock. The factory offers that tool for free.

JLC 938 Movement

On the replica, the engravings on the movement plates look shallow, not deeply engraved.

Black Leather Band on JLC
Deployant Clasp
Quick Release

Whether the stainless steel model or the rose gold model, they are all equipped with a calfskin leather band with quick release system. The band feels a little bit stiff, but you can buy and replace with a genuine aligator leather band. The stainless steel watch comes with a deployant clasp.

Pin Buckle

The rose gold watch comes with a pin buckle.

Hands Finish

On the central hour hand and minute hand, there are two sides, one is polished, the other is matte finished.

The second news is about V7, some people said it got raided on September 30th, but some people said they are fine, they still offer watches.

The third news is about VS. This factory has been very busy after the closure of Clean, their business is booming, now in mens Rolex Datejust field, the boss is VS, no others can compete with them especially the V2 came out.

V2 Datejust from VS has six models now, including the blue, green, gray, black, green rome and the blue one with rome markers.

Plastic Bag

The plastic bag on V2 Datejust now has an elephant sticker.

Rolex Card

Each watch will come with a card, which is upgraded, with a golden edge now.

There are also other features about the new V2 Datejust from VS, I introduced them before, please check them at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/08/18/vs-factory-datejust-v2/.