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Tudor Black Bay Flamingo Blue M+F vs Genuine

A lot of you guys may have been familiar with M+, this factory has brought us many good quality replica watches, especially in Bell Ross, IWC Mark series and Tudor. The Tudor Black Bay Chrono watches are in hot discussion in these days, some readers here asked me about their replicas in last year, now in our market, there are good replicas of these Tudor watches. As far as I know, BLS is the first factory to make the replicas of these Tudor watches, then TW, but the best ones are made by ZF and M+F. In August, I made a brief comparison on the Tudor M79360N between ZF and M+F, please check at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/08/11/tudor-black-bay-chrono-mf-vs-zf/. Today, I will do a simple comparison on the Tudor Black Bay with Flamingo Blue dial between M+F version and the genuine watch.

Before that, I would like to notify you that M+F has all the following five models in stock, they are all great.

The left is a replica watch from M+, the right is a genuine watch. We can see the replica has a very good dial color. There is almost no color difference.

The middle is the genuine watch, on its right, it is the watch from ZF. We can see the color difference on the dial of ZF.

Please take a closer look, the color difference on the dial between the gen and ZF is more obvious.

Every date number is exactly in the middle of the window on M+F Tudor, just like the one on the genuine watch.

The crystal height on the genuine is a little higher, but not too much.

The bezel fonts on M+F Tudor on the left look very close to that of the genuine on the right.

In this picture above, the right watch is from ZF. Its bezel is more smooth, it is different, and its bezel fonts are a bit stretched.

Now, let’s see the last important thing. It is the clasp. On M+F Tudor, when the deployant clasp is engaged, the primary lock cannot be released without first opening the safety catch, genuine watch is also the same. But on ZF Tudor, if you depress the clasp with your finger, the entire clasp will pop open, this is not secure.

Conclusion

M+F makes every Tudor Black Bay Chrono replica watch with very good dial color, good date fonts, good bezel fonts and good clasp.

How to know if your Datejust is from VS Factory?

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Currently there are two big things in the market, first, it is about the Clean Plus factory. Second, it is about VS factory, which is their Rolex watches are too hot, often out of stock, people who are going to order their Rolex especially Datejust usually need to wait. After the closure of Clean, VS published V2 Datejust 2, which helped them dominate this market immediately, for people who want the best Datejust 2, I also recommend VS.

Before the closure of Clean, I said this factory has started to use the DD3235 movement in their Datejust, it is a new DD3235 that has 27 bearing balls, now VS also uses this new DD3235 movement in their Datejust 2, many dealers saying the new DD3235 is much better than the old version when they promoting VS watches, so this brings a problem, which is a lot of customers then insist on buying the watch with that new movement, however, VS factory hasn’t actually used this new movement in every watch, both the old and new movement are randomly used, and both movements have the same quality in my opinion.

The VS Datejust is so hot, some dealers deceive customers by selling them other factories Datejust as VS Factory models, to avoid being scammed, today I will show you a feature of the clasp on VS Datejust to help tell if the watch is from VS.

Please use a magnifier to observe the letter “A” on the engravings of the clasp.

On VS Datejust, the letter “A” in word “GENEVA” and “MADE” has a flat top. The letter “E” in “MADE”, its middle bar is slightly shorter than the top and bottom ones.

On the clasp of the Datejust from other factory, the engravings look somewhat shallow, and the letter “A” has a more pointed top.

Rolex SA — This is the engraving of “ROLEXS.A.” on VS Datejust.

Datejust Clean Plus vs Clean

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A new factory named Clean Plus just appeared in the market, we talked about it before, some people say it is Clean and they are back to the business, some people say it is not the original Clean Factory, so the hottest thing we are discussing about is whether the new Clean Plus is still the same previous Clean Factory. Now Clean Plus has released Datejust, YachtMaster and Daytona, I think they will publish more watches next.

Clean Factory has been closed for a while, people are still looking for Clean watches, I do hope Clean Plus can make the same quality watches as Clean, or even better quality. But after checking the Datejust from Clean Plus, I found their quality is still not the same as that of Clean.

There are two Datejust watches above, the left one is from Clean Plus, the right one is from Clean.

First, check the crystal, it is lower on Clean Plus, while on the right Clean Datejust, the crystal stands a little higher.

Second, the date wheel is different. Check the date font on the left Datejust from Clean Plus, it is a little thicker.

Third, the Rolex Crown logo on the buckle is different, I like the one on the right watch from Clean.

Fourth, the clasp engraving is different. On the top, it is the clasp on Clean. The engraving is bigger and deeper. On the bottom clasp, the letter ‘O’ is more like a digit 0.

Clean Plus uses DD3235 movement, this is good, as far as I know, they also use DD3235 in the Titanium YachtMaster and DD4131 in Daytona.

Conclusion

Clean Plus is not the original Clean Factory. Take the Datejust as an example, some watch parts like date wheel and bracelet on Clean Plus are different from that of Clean. Currently the best option for Datejust is still VS V2.

Holiday News

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It is our National Day holiday, which will end on October 8th, but the factories will accept orders after today. In these days, one thing mostly discussed in the watch market is that Clean Factory has been back to the business, they changed a new name, which is Clean Plus, did you buy from them? I heard that this is not the same factory as before, at least the watch assemblers are not the same ones that served in Clean before, so the quality may not be the same. In recent days, many new models appeared in the market, most of them are from APS, including the Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin, which is a new model from JLC, AZ Facyory made the old model before, now APS published the replica, which is equipped with the same super clone 938, the watch looks great, the case thickness is close to that of genuine, the functions on the replica also work, but I do not suggest you buy it, because the movement stability is not improved, it is the only replica watch with super clone movement which I do not recommend, when I introduced the story of APS Factory, I mentioned this movement, it has a high repairing rate.

This watch look really nice, it is said that the 938 movement in genuine watch is also not very stable, is that correct? Is there anyone here that has bought the genuine watch?

Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Replica Watch

The left stainless steel watch looks classic, but I like the rose gold one more on the right.

Replica Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Stainless Steel

Jaeger LeCoultre Master Ultra Thin Power Reserve

In original position, you can rotate the crown to wind the watch, I just did this, I winded, please notice the small hand on the power reserve indicator at 10:00, it moves from 1/4 to 1/2. No need to fully wind the watch because when you wear the watch on your hand, the auto rotor will move to gain energy.

At 2:00 on the case, there is a button for you to push with a tool to adjust the date, which is displayed on the round small dial at 2 o’clock. The factory offers that tool for free.

On the replica, the engravings on the movement plates look shallow, not deeply engraved.

Whether the stainless steel model or the rose gold model, they are all equipped with a calfskin leather band with quick release system. The band feels a little bit stiff, but you can buy and replace with a genuine aligator leather band. The stainless steel watch comes with a deployant clasp.

The rose gold watch comes with a pin buckle.

On the central hour hand and minute hand, there are two sides, one is polished, the other is matte finished.

The second news is about V7, some people said it got raided on September 30th, but some people said they are fine, they still offer watches.

The third news is about VS. This factory has been very busy after the closure of Clean, their business is booming, now in mens Rolex Datejust field, the boss is VS, no others can compete with them especially the V2 came out.

V2 Datejust from VS has six models now, including the blue, green, gray, black, green rome and the blue one with rome markers.

The plastic bag on V2 Datejust now has an elephant sticker.

Each watch will come with a card, which is upgraded, with a golden edge now.

There are also other features about the new V2 Datejust from VS, I introduced them before, please check them at https://www.susanreviews.com/2025/08/18/vs-factory-datejust-v2/.

New Pilot Chrono Watches from APS

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Since 2025, APS Factory has brought us a lot surprises, the biggest one should be the super clone 4401 movement they developed and then being equipped in the AP26240 and 26420. From the past to the present, APS Factory can always brought us good movements, and they have maintained this good tradition. Last time, I remembered that they also developed a movement for AP 26331, which is the movement I even do not think is a super clone movement, however, I really hope that this super clone 69385 which they made for the IWC Pilot Chrono watches can get a great success like their 4401, after all, many watch fans have been waiting for a long time for these IWC Pilot Chrono watches.

For the new IWC Pilot Chrono replicas watches from APS Factory, there are three models in blue dial, green dial and black dial, each also comes with two band options, which are stainless steel bracelet and leather strap. In promotion, APS Factory claims that the movement factory spent three years in researching the genuine IWC Calibre and finally developed it, each component can be interchanged with the original movement, that’s a little exaggerated, but I think this movement will be better than the one used in AP 26331. Movements usually have complicated structure, I do not have too much knowledge about them, but seeing from the movement comparison picture below, this clone 69385 movement looks very close to the genuine Calibre. The most important thing is its balance wheel is positioned at 8 o’clock, which is the same as that of the genuine movement.

About the functions of the watch, APS Factory make them correct. Every function is the same as that of the genuine. We know some factories already made these Pilot Chrono IWC replicas watches before, like the ones from TW Factory, but their functions are wrong, the subdial at 6 o’clock has a fixed small hand, the small second hand is running on the subdial at 9 o’clock, this is a big flaw which you can just notice from the dial. Now on APS Factory version, the small second dial in red is running on the subdial at 6:00, other two small dials act as 30-minute chrono counter at 12:00 and 12-hour chrono counter at 9:00.

The watch has a correct case size, which is 41mm in diameter and 14.5mm in thickness. The crystal has blue anti-reflective coating. The watch comes with a quick-release band. However, there is a flaw on the case, one inside edge of the lug is too sharp, look at the picture below, the place marked at red.